Sunday, December 30, 2007

Sunday, December 30, 2007

TRANZMITORS LP – Plastic Genocide (Deranged)

Best Hardcore ep Releases - International
RATS, THE - Out of Control (Thrashbastard)
DISKLEMA - Filthy Future (Kamaset Levyt)
FRAMTID - Life Control (Regurgitated Semen)
OUT WITH A BANG - Broken Needle (Criminal I.Q.)
FATALS - Follow the Blind (Drachenwerkstatt)
RAKKAUS - Et Pyst Piiloutumaan (Tuska ja Akdistus)
GERIATRIC UNIT - Black Dog (Network of Friends)
KIELTOLAKI - Tiedostava Kusipaa (Combat Rock Industry)
JIBARA - Ame too muchi ? muchi to muchi ? (HG Fact)
THE SHINING - The Word (U.P.S.)

Best Hardcore ep Releases – U.S.
INSTANT ASSHOLE - Totally Fucked (Tank Crimes)
CRUNKY KIDS - Theories of Hate and Time (Schizophrenic)
WASTED TIME - Ritual (Grave Mistake)
OUT COLD - Make It Disturbing (Schizophrenic)
GOVERNMENT WARNING - Killing for Fun (Grave Mistake)
BLANK STARE - Cowards (Refuse)
SOCIAL CIRCKLE - Cut Loose (No Way)
TIME TO ESCAPE - Mr. Popular (Grave Mistake)
RELIGIOUS AS FUCK - Save your Breath (Self-Released)
SEX/VID - Firm Grasp (DOM US)

Best ep Releases - Canadian
BAD AMPS - 10,000 Miles Away (Black Market)
DANGERLOVES - Lipsmart (Fashionable Idiots)
WHITE LUNG - Breaking Boxes (Hockey Dad)
MARGARET THRASHER - Does It Matter ? (Clarence Thomas)
ALTERNATE ACTION - Never Again (Longshot)
HOLLYWOOD GODS - They still Remain (Longshot)
CRIMINAL INTENT - I Can't Take This (Sewercide)
SKITZOS - Watch Out (Longshot)
ULTRA VIOLENCE RAY - Koffee (Stinktown)
VICIOUS CYCLE - I'm Watching you (Vinyl Addict)

Best Hardcore Full Length Releases - International
KYKLOOPPIEN SUKUPUUTTO - Sanelukone "MANSE" (Hate)
ED - Blood, Blood, Blood (Agipunk)
B.U.S.H. - Desajustado (625 Productions)
WOLFBRIGADE - Mind prowler (MCR Company)
PROJECT HOPELESS - Not Enough (Self-Released)
GIUDA - Non Esiste Strada per Tornare (Agipunk)
AFFLUENTE - Privatizzaione Dell'artificio (S.O.A.)
VALSE TRISTE - Numeoituna (If Society)
TOTALITAR - Nej Vi Ska Inte Ha Nat (Prank)
SUNPOWER - Sniff Your Way to Hell Tonight (Peter Bower)

Best Hardcore Full Length Releases – U.S.
BATTLETORN - Cutthroat (Mad at the World)
HIT ME BACK - In the Eyes of Those who don't See (625 Productions)
FOR THE WORSE - Square Peg round Hole (Bridge 9)
MAGRUDERGRIND - Financial Downpour on Tight Ties (Punks Before Profit$)
CONQUEST FOR DEATH - Totaliterrorism (Wajlemac)
BEHIND ENEMY LINES - Retribution (Profane Existence)
BORN/DEAD - Siren (Prank)
WORLD BURNS TO DEATH - Frenzied Hacking of Swords (Hardcore Holocaust)
SEVERED HEAD OF STATE - This Final Scene (Havoc)
DOUBLE NEGATIVE - Looking at the Rats (No Way)

Best Full Length Releases - Canadian
ALTERNATE ACTION - Tough Times (Self-Released)
UNDER PRESSURE - One in One (Yellow Dog)
TO THE LIONS - Born to Die (Goodfellow)
COBRA NOIR - Manufacturers of Deceit (Chainsaw Massacre)
BLACKJACKET - Cite Soliel (self-Released)
THE FALLOUT - Meat Market (Insurgence)
STATUES - Living in Lines (Radio 81)
THE VAPIDS - Blue Fields and Foul Mouths (Self Released)
BRUTAL KNIGHTS - I Do Nothing (Deranged)
CAREER SUICIDE - Impact (Deranged)

THE YOBS - Auld Lang Sye (Captain Oi!)

Top 10 – December 2007

Top 10 – December 2007

1. CRIMINAL DAMAGE “No Solution” LP (Feral Ward)
2. EVERYTHING FALLS APART “Tension” ep (Art of the Underground)
3. SKITZOS “Faster! Louder! Better!” ep (Longshot Music)
4. V/A “Trapped in a Scene” CD (625 Productions)
5. BANDANOS “We Crush Your Mind with Trash Inside” CD (625 Productions)
6. WHITE LUNG “Local Garbage” ep (Hockey Dad)
7. CROSS LAWS “Ancient Rites” ep (Sorry State)
8. ARTIMUS PYLE “Tonight is the End of Your Way” ep (Too Circle)
9. BORED TO DEATH ep (Sorry State)
10. INSECT WARFARE “World Extermination” CD (625 Productions)

Label Info:
* FERAL WARD - www.feralward.com
* ART OF THE UNDERGROUND - www.artoftheunderground.com
* LONGSHOT MUSIC - www.longshotmusic.com
* 625 PRODUCTIONS - www.625thrash.com
* HOCKEY DAD - 4150 Brant street / Vancouver, BC / V5N 5B4 / Canada)
* SORRY STATE - 1102 N. Greensboro Street / Carrboro, NC / 27510 / USA / www.deadmetaphor.com/sorrystate
* TOO CIRCLE - 221 HI Home Kodaira 510 / Nakamachi Kodaira City / 187-0042 Tokyo / Japan

Wednesday, December 26, 2007

Dishrags CD


The Dishrags were orginally from Victoria and later moved to Vancouver where they would be forever known as a Vancouver band. Jade, the band's singer, was cousins with chris Arnott of Vancouver's first punk band the Furies. The Dishrags were originally known as Dee Dee and the Dishrags. This CD came out in 2007 on Jem records and compiles the band's three singles from 1978 through to 1980. The songs are:

1. I Don't Love You
2. Bullshit
3. Past is Past
4. Love is shit
5. Death in the Family
6. All the Pain
7. High Society Snob (Live)

Monday, December 24, 2007

Sunday, December 24, 2007

THE KINKS - Father Christmas (Arista)

THE RAVERS - Punk Rock Christmas (Zombie)
THE DAMNED - There Ain't No Sanity Claus (Rhino)
THE PORK DUKES - My Mother (Wood Wrechords)
SLOPPY SECONDS - Lonely Christmas (Taang!)
THE PORK GUYS - Fuck X-Mas! Fuck You (Self Starter)

KING KHAN & BBQ - Plump Righteous (Norton)
THE BELL RAYS - Merry Christmas Baby (Vital Gesture X-mas)
THE SONICS - Don't Believe in Christmas (Norton)
JERRY AND THE LANDSLIDERS - Get Off My roof (P.P.X.)

TUULI - What I Want for Chritsmas (Sympathy for the Record industry)
KENNE HIGHLAND & HIS VATICAN - Can I Please Crawl Down Your Chimney ? (Gulcher)
JACOBITES - Teenage Christmas (Chatterbox)
BLACK HALOS - Homeless for Christmas (Basement Boy)

THE YOBS - Another Christmas (Dojo)
PETER & THE TEST TUBE BABIES - Getting Pissed for Christmas
HARD SKIN - Dong Dong Merrily, Oi, oi (Household Name)
THE VANDALS - Oi to the World (Kung Fu)

THE POGUES - Fairytale of New york (Warner0
THE MYSTEROIDS - Santa Claus is Comin' to Town (Superville)
SERVOTRON - Christmas Day of the Robot (Amphetamine Reptile)
SIT N' SPIN - Santa Claws (Worrybird Disk)

KINGS OF ROCK - Christmas with the Kings (Regal Select)
THE BUFF MEDWAY'S - Merry Christmas Fritz (Damaged Goods)
MOTHERFUCKER666 - High for Christmas (Get Hip)
BANTAM ROOSTER - Let's Just Fuck for Christmas
ICEBURG SLIM - Christmas Dressed in Blue (Tim Kerr)

SHOWCASE SHOWDOWN - Merry Christmas I Fucked Your Snowman (Pogo Stick)
GREAT WHITE LYIN' SNAKE - Last Christmas (Highly Collectable)
THE JIMMIES - Santa (Bruce Monkey)
CHERRY POPPIN' DADDIES - Butch the Gay Santa Clause (KROQ)
THE ZAMBONIS - Hockey Holidays (Dot)

CRUCIAL YULE - Christmas time for the skins (Another fine Faith)
THE TUMOURS - Christmas in the Drunk Tank (Napotone)
THE DARYLS - They Saved Santa's Cock (Bruce Monkey)
FEAR - Fuck Christmas (Rhino)
FUCKED UP - David Christmas (Self-Released)
GROOVIE GHOULIES - Christmas on Mars (CCR)
THE RAMONES - I Don't Wanna Fight (Sire)
BAD RELIGION - God Rest You Jerry Mentlemen (Epitaph)
CRASS - Merry Crassmas (CRASS)

Friday, December 21, 2007

Various Artists "All Your Ears Can Hear" Double CD

This is a truly amazing compilation. It is one of those scene documentary pieces but instead of it being a film this is a comp. Jason Flower was the main person behind the project and as a result the comp needed to be on 2 CDs. An amazing book where each band participating gets a page that is used to help find out details on them. And the scene they document is their own which is in Victoria, BC. Vancouver is documented pretty well but the scene that NoMeansNo grew out of isn't. The Neos is probably the only other band really known from here and that is only by hardcore collectors. And being geographically isolated Victoria had a chance to develop on thier own more so than other scenes that were on touring routes. As a result you get a snapshot of just some collected highlights of Victoria. You can inquire at Supreme Echo about the availability of this comp but I doubt there is any left. The songs on here are:
Disc 1:
1. Infamous Bastards - Canada's Pissed
2. Pink Steel - Here We Go Again
3. Clix - Sidewalk Trot
4. Automatic Shock - Mushrooms
5. Sickfucks - Long Blink
6. Jerk Ward - Millions of Dead BMXers
7. Velox Strepitus - No Mind
8. Beaten Retards - Mutated
9. NoMeansNo - Almost Like Home
10. Red Tide - NATO Actionaut
11. Keys - Ups & Downs
12. Neos - Ripped off
13. Neos - Sexual Revolution
14. Censored Chaos - Dinner at McDonald's
15. Resistance - Amerika
16. Ascensions - She's Weird
17. Easy Money - No Stranger to Danger
18. Dioxyn - Free from Vice
19. Malcom Dew-Jones - Secret Agent 000
20. Infamous Scientists - CKDA
21. Dishrags - High Society Snob
22. Twisted Minds - Vancouver
23. Distortion - Leave Us Alone
24. Do-wops - Kill Mash Die
25. Do-wops - Butchart Gardens
26. Fake Dogs - Fuckin' Jerk
27. Purple City - Untitled
28. Squirrels in Bondage - Who Cares
29. Trouble Boys - Not So Bad
30. House of Commons - Low
31. Noise Generation - Breakdown
32. Nematodes - Down with the KKK
33. Nevar - Iran
34. Commodes - Bunyon
35. Dayglo Abortions - Whiter than Hitler
36. Ryvals - Floating
37. Suburban Menace - What's So Wrong
38. Jerk Ward - UFO
39. Harvest of Seaweed - The End
40. Mass Appeal - SS Social Service
Disc 2:
1. House of Commons - 1999
2. Red Tide - My Son is a Kuwahara
3. Neos - Destruct
4. Neos - Russian Folk Song
5. Infamous Scientists - Someone Else's Shoes
6. Sickfucks - P.O.W.
7. Ascenisions - The Stud
8. Dishrags - Bullshit
9. Keys - Lied To!
10. NoMeansNo - Too Much Dope
11. Twisted Minds - BC Tel
12. Malcolm Dew-Jones - Modern World
13. Easy Money - On the Edge
14. Da Jeep - Save Me
15. Velox Strepitus - Mutt
16. Fake Dogs - Bombs Away
17. Nematodes - Hatred
18. Nevar - Chorus
19. Sludge Confrontations - Slug Death
20. Sludge Confrontations - Astronomy
21. Tumours - It Hurts When I Think
22. Jerk Ward - Flesh & Bones
23. Nuclear Errors - We're Rebels
24. Red Tide - It's More a Feeling
25. Ray Luxemburg - Following
26. Dayglo Abortions - Nuclear Supremacy
27. Harvest of Seaweed - Accidental Exile
28. Surburabn Menace - Outta My Way
29. Beaten Retards - School
30. Nu-Lib - New Liberation
31. Censored Chaos - Violence in the Streets
32. Divine Right - Outta the Grave
33. NoMeansNo - NoMeansNo
34. Slivers - Black Hole
35. Disrupt - These are the 80s
36. Salty Seamen - CUFA
37. Sickfucks - Mother was a Man
38. Infamous Scientists - Baldwang Must Die
39. Purple City - Invisibility

Sunday, December 16, 2007

Radio - Sunday, December 16, 2007




VICIOUS CYCLE - Boring Face (Vinyl Addict)

THE EVAPORATORS - Shakin' with the Shaggy Shaker (Mint)
TRANZMITORS - Do I Really Wanna Know (Deranged)
POINTED STICKS - Perfect Youth (Sudden Death)
YOUNG CANADIANS - Where are you (Sudden Death)
THE ENIGMAS - Windshield Wiper (Zulu)

ANTI-SOCIAL DEGENERATES - 1987 (Self-Released)
NORMAN BATES AND THE SHOWERHEADS - Frustration (Dead City)
GUIDED CRADLE - Alcoholic Superheroes (Insane Society)
ANGELS, SAINTS & HEROES - Blazing Souls and All That Shit (Unreleased)
LAST RESORT - Resort Boot Boys (Captain Oi!)

Studio 3 Session
VICIOUS CYCLE - Neon Electric (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - Annoy (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - Bent (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - Terminate (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - Dog on a Leash (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - Stepping Back (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - Negative Space (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - I'm Watching You (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - Interview (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - I'm Watching You (Vinyl Addict)

HATRED SURGE - Pressures (625 Productions)
INSECT WARFARE - Enslaved by Machinery (625 Productions)
BRAINIAX - 32% (625 Productions)
THE ENDLESS BLOCKADE - Short, Bound and Drowned (625 Productions)
HARD CHARGER - Hellbound War Dead (Self-Released)
IN DISGUST - Missing (625 Productions)
IRON LUNG - White Flag (625 Productions)
TUMOURFEAST - Troubled Sleep (625 Productions)

UNKIND - Arjen Juhlaa (Combat Rock Industry)
ARTIMUS PYLE - Den of Thieves (Insane Society)
BORN / DEAD - Nuance (Prank)
DEAD DOGS - Dead Dogs (Self-Released)

Demo Feature
THE CUMMIES - Angela (Self-Released)
THE CUMMIES - Aspirin & Wine (Self-Released)
THE CUMMIES - Brand New Morons (Self-Released)
THE CUMMIES - Teenage Stupid Boy (Self-Released)
THE CUMMIES - Endless Headache (Self-Released)
THE CUMMIES - Sweet Dolly Samantha (Self-Released)
THE CUMMIES - Wasted (Self-Released)

Living Darkness ep

Living Darkness, formerly known as In Living Darkness, features adam Copper on vocals, Matteo of Black Spokes on bass, and Doug Marks of SDS on drums. They lay a doom inspired crust sound inspired heavily by Motorhead and Amebix. The songs on here are:
1. Alive In A Pointless Life
2. 20 Years
3. Fits
4. Waking Nightmares

Thursday, December 13, 2007

Zine - EXD, VOLUME 7, ISSUE 5

This issue came out in December 2007. This was the first themed issue and featured bands from Vancouver. Margaret Thrasher, the Pointed Sticks, a review of Distort Fest, reviews, show listings, gossip, and a flyer page.

Sunday, December 9, 2007

Radio - Sunday, December 9, 2007

SUDDEN IMPACT - To Our Glorious Dead (Marquee)


SUDDEN IMPACT - Keep on Truckin' (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - First Time There (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - Crossed Wire (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - Two Track Life (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - Terrorist Attack (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - Tight Rope (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - Sudden Impact (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - Freaked Out (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - Fuck You (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - Gonzo (CIUT)
SUDDEN IMPACT - Interview (CIUT)


SUDDEN IMPACT - Skin of the Teeth (Marquee)


TOXIC REASONS - Chost Town (Beer City)
DIE KREUZEN - In School (Barbarran)
HEART ATTACK - God is Dead (Damaged Goods)
THE STATICS - The Story (Ugly Pop)


HONG KONG BLONDE - Split Finger Fastball (Ugly Pop)
DIRECT CONTROL - Pay Day (Kangaroo)
SEX/VID - Train Wreck (Self-Released)
ANNIHILATION TIME - Feel It (Sorry State)


A.N.S. - Through Space and Time (Still Holding On / Thrashbastard)
PERSONALITY CRISIS - Double Take (Risky Business)
ANGRY SAMOANS - Grimmie Supor (XXX)
URBAN BLIGHT - Slow Death (Deranged)


Demo Feature
SUM FUX - Blood Stained Hands (Self-Released)
SUM FUX - Why'd You Go? (Self-Released)
SUM FUX - Sharks (Self-Released)
SUM FUX - 9 Till 5 (Self-Released)
SUM FUX - Panic Attack (Self-Released)
SUM FUX - Life is Hell (Self-Released)


BLACK SS - Never Donna Win (Third Party)
BORN BAD - Against You (Fashionable Idiots)
THE DISHRAGS - Past is Past (Jem)

Saturday, December 8, 2007

Friday, December 7, 2007

Sunday, December 2, 2007

Sunday, December 2, 2007

THE UGLY - Baby You Bug Me (Other Peoples Music)
THE UGLY - Interview (CIUT)
THE UGLY - Revenge (Other Peoples Music)

DREAM DATES - Heart Attack Rhythm (Ugly Pop)
DANGERLOVES - Lipsmart (Fashionable Idiots)
THE PHOTOS - All I Want (Cherry Red)
WHITE LUNG - Local Garbage (Hockey Dad)
HAGAR THE WOMB - Dressed to Kill (Overground)

VICIOUS CYCLE - Terminate (Vinyl Addict)
CRIMINAL INTENT - Boring Life (Sewercide)
CRITICAL PICNIC - Littering Shreds
ULTRA VIOLENCE RAY - Fashionable Idiots (Stinktown)
WEDNESDAY NIGHT HEROES - Shut Us Out (BYO)
STATUES - Rubber Gloves (Radio 81)

CONQUEST FOR DEATH - Yellow Tape (Punks Before Profit$)
C.O.C. - Broken Will
DOUBLE NEGATIVE - Stop Growing (No Way)
THE FARTZ - Music Critics / Is This the Way ? (Bootleg)
B.U.S.H. - Desajustado (625 Productions)
BREAKFAST - Raining Rage (625 Productions)

OI POLLOI - Mutilation of the Innocent (Kamaset Levyt)
ORDER - Zero (HG Fact)
SICK SICK BIRDS - Bullet Goes a Mile (Toxic Pop)
ERGS!, THE - Blue (Toxic Pop)

A.O.A. - Who Are They Trying to Con ? (Overground)
CHAOS UK - No Security (Anagram)
REALITY - Acceptable Death Loss (Overground)
ANGELIC UPSTARTS - Lust for Glory (Anagram)

Demo Feature
SCREWED UP FLYER - Today (Self-Released)
SCREWED UP FLYER - Positive (Self-Released)
SCREWED UP FLYER - Change (Self-Released)
SCREWED UP FLYER - Fight Back (Self-Released)
SCREWED UP FLYER - Step Back (Self-Released)
SCREWED UP FLYER - Screwed Up Flyer (Self-Released)

SUDDEN IMPACT - Just Yourself (Marquee)

Saturday, December 1, 2007

Flyer - Saturday December 1, 2007

Spectres "Cold War" ep

The songs on here are:

1. Cold War
2. Message from Above

Friday, November 30, 2007

Sunday, November 25, 2007

Sunday, November 25, 2007

THE UGLY - Cruel Ones (Other Peoples Music)
THE UGLY - Interview (CIUT)
THE UGLY - Murderous Adventure (Other Peoples Music)
THE UGLY - Interview (CIUT)
MC5 - Call Me Animal (Rhino)
BLUE CHEER - Summertime Blues (Polygram)
THE MODS - Between Four Walls (Other Peoples Music)
THE UGLY - Interview (CIUT)
THE UGLY - So In Love With You (Other Peoples Music)
THE UGLY - Interview (CIUT)
THE UGLY - Alley Cat (Other Peoples Music)

Saturday, November 24, 2007

Tuesday, November 20, 2007

Wednesday Night Heroes "Guilty Pleasures" CD

This was the first release on BYO. The songs on here are:
1. Open Fire
2. Wash Em Away
3. Dead End Street
4. Desperation
5. Liar
6. Uncivilized Bastard
7. Move to Press
8. All on the Outside
9. Action
10. Bland New Age
11. Shut Us Out
12. Not Alone

Germ Attak "Ouroboros" CD

This is the band's first full length. MCR Company from Kyoto released it. The songs on here are:
1. Millionaire Mayor
2. Vagrant Nation
3. Ouroboros
4. Law of Return
5. Fight for the Land
6. they'll Make an Example out of You
7. Die in Afghanistan
8. Destroy Your World
9. Amputated
10. Street Survival
11. It's My Life
12. Lifestyle Anarchism
13. Cycle
14. Dogma
15. Rebellion, Mutiny, Treason, and Sedition
16. Disindoctrination
17. Confrontation
18. Just a Facade for the New World Order
19. We are Born to Live

Sunday, November 18, 2007

Radio: Sunday, November 18, 2007

PIPEBOMB - Kill Whitey / Fuck Vancouver Pigs (Self-Released)

THE FURIES - What Do You Want Me To Be ? (Bootleg)
THE SKULLS - Fucked Up Baby (Bootleg)
THE DISHRAGS - Love is Shit (Gem)
THE STIFFS - Fuck You (Bootleg)
VICTORIAN PORK - I Don't Give a Shit (Bootleg)

NO EXIT - Nothing New (Friends)
HOUSE OF COMMONS - Here Today, Gone Tomorrow (Live)
BILL OF RIGHTS - The Core (No Rights)
DEATH SENTENCE - Dawn of the Dead (Zulu)

UNNATURAL SILENCE - Luxury and Lies (Reality Productions)
FRATRICIDE - Poison Control (Heart First)
SUBVERSE - So Rich, So Wise, So What ? (Looney Tunes)
WITCHES HAMMER - Death of No Reprise (Nuclear War Now!)

THE DUNDERHEADS - No Change (Club Grotesque0
SUBMISSION HOLD - Cranium Ache (Fans of Bar productions)
STRAIN - Second Coming (Club Grotesque)
CATS GAME - Home Sweet Home (Gem)

LIMB FROM LIMB - Relentless Torment (No Options)
THE SPECTERS - Message from Above (Whisper in Darkness)
CHINA CREEPS - Kitchen Knife (V.P.A.F.)
THE FURIES - No Fun City (Gem)

Demo Feature
DEAD DOGS - Dead Dogs (Self-Released)
DEAD DOGS - Paradigm (Self-Released)
DEAD DOGS - Carcass (Self-Released)
DEAD DOGS - North End Suicide (Self-Released)

Friday, November 16, 2007

Flyer - Friday November 16, 2007

A house show for Fie Brucke from Halifax. Using the Genetic Control ep image for the poster flyer.

Vicious Cycle "Germ" ep

Vicious Cycle's second single had seven songs on it. I think the band initially released this single and a 2nd presing was put out by Radio 81 and P Trash. The band fused the ZERO BOYS and early DESCENDENTS with CAREER SUICIDE and TERMINAL STATE. Ysaél Pépin of DEMONS CLAWS did the silkscreened artwork and involved two more limited pressings.

- 158 x black wax/ black / orange silkscreen sleeve
- 129 x black wax/ black / white silkscreen sleeve


The songs on here are:

1. Germ
2. Dog on a Leash
3. Self Abuse
4. Assembly Line
5. Vicious Cycle
6. Brain Damaged
7. Aged and Confused

Monday, November 12, 2007

Sunday, November 12, 2007

LEGION666 - No Virtues are Extolled (Schizophrenic)

LSD - Kill You (Schizophrenic)
KORO - Koro (Sorry State)
THE FREEZE - I Hate Tourists (Schizophrenic)

THE DIODES - Child Star (CIUT)
DEFECT DEFECT - Little Ways (CIUT)
VICIOUS CYCLE - Terminate (CIUT)
U LOCK TERROR - The Architects of Horros (CIUT)

COBRA NOIR - Lazarus (Magic Bullet)
ENDLESS BLOCKADE - Death Ritual (Sound Pollution)
SAIGON DISTRESS SIGNAL - (Wounded Paw)

B-LINES - In the Red (Self Released)
ED - Cliff Burton Rides for Free (Agipunk)
TOTALITAR - Pillar Mot Allt (Prank)
BEHIND ENEMY LINES - Retribution (Profane Existence)

MDC - I Remember (R Radical)
THE FARTZ - Idiots Rule (Alternative Tentacles)
F.U.'s - What You Pay For (Taang!)

WEDNESDAY NIGHT HEROES - Liar (BYO)
DIE BRUCKE - Status Coal (Self-Released)
DAYGLO ABORTIONS - Inside My Head (Fringe)
THE MODS - Reactions (Other Peoples Music)

RABIES - Stairs of Shame (Sorry State)
ZERO BOYS - You Can Teach Me (Panic Button)
REGULATIONS - Survive in the City (Havoc)
JFA - Out of School (Alternative Tentacles)
GOVERNMENT WARNING - No Moderation (No Way)

REPROBATES - Brainwashed (Self-Released)
REGRESS - What Would You Do ? (Self-Released)
HARDCHARGER - I'm Your Worst Nightmare (Self-Released)
NIGHTBRINGER - Fight Like Hell (Self-Released)

Demo Feature
RAH - Walk Away (Self-Released)
RAH - Looking to the Sky (Self-Released)
RAH - Pushed to the Edge (Self-Released)
RAH - Futuristic Waves (Self-Released)

Sunday, November 11, 2007

Flyer - Sunday November 11, 2007


Wednesday Night Heroes from Edmonton played Rancho Relaxo with Living Darkness, the Reprobates, and Younger Strike.

Saturday, November 10, 2007

Friday, November 9, 2007

Flyer - Friday November 9, 2007


Flyer - Saturday November 9, 2007

This was the record release show for "Kiss the Goat".



Spectres "Visions of a New World" ep

Spectre were a band from Vancouver. This ep came out on Whisper in Darkness in 2007. the songs on here are:
1. Visions of a New world
2. Complications

Monday, November 5, 2007

Sunday, November 4, 2007

Saturday, November 3, 2007

Friday, November 2, 2007

The Metal Eddies "Brains of the Operation" CD

The Metal Eddies are from Newmarket and remind me a lot of an old band from Bradford called Social Suicide. They self-released this CD on No Vynil Records and the songs found on her include:
1. My genitals are Stressing Me Out
2. Jenny Ain't a Goth
3. Gravedigger
4. The Ballad of Johnny Degrading
5. Rock & Roll Cougar Party
6. Victim of the Year
7. (I Wanna Be Your) Loverboy
8. Pissed My Life Away
9. Waste of Time
10. Puppies
11. Whatever Happened to Ritchie?
12. All Girl Band
13. Night of the Living Dead Pogo Brats
14. Cannibal's to Oi!
15. Party in a Barn
16. Tomorrow
17. 2 A.M. Politics
18. My Little Baby (Smokes Crack Cocaine)
19. Song 20

Thursday, November 1, 2007

Tuesday, October 30, 2007

Top 10 – October 2007

Top 10 – October 2007

1. WOLFBRIGADE “Prey to the World” LP (MCR Company)
2. LET’S GROW “Disease of Modern Times” CD (Refuse)
3. HOODS UP “Arms Still Open” CD (Refuse)
4. THE VAPIDS “The Point Remains the Same” CD (Self-Released)
5. PROJECT HOPELESS “Valkommen…” LP (Self-Released)
6. COLA FREAKS “Keder Mig” ep (Hjernespind)
7. V/A “Axis of Wolves” CD (HG Fact)
8. MOUTH SEWN SHUT “Doomed Future Today” LP (Profane Existence)
9. LIVING DARKNESS demo (Self-Released)
10. DISKELMA / DISTRESS split ep (Kamaset Levyt)

Label Info:
* MCR COMPANY – 157 Kamiagu / Maizuru / Kyoto 624-0913 / Japan /
www.dance.ne.jp/~mcr/englishsite.html
* REFUSE – P.O. Box 7 / 02-792 Warszawa 78 / Poland /
www.refuserecords.prv.pl
* THE VAPIDS – 85 Garfield Avenue South / Hamilton, ON / L8M 2S3 / Canada
* PROJECT HOPELESS – O. Petersson / Sofiagatan 13 / 214 45 Malmo / Sweden / www.projecthopeless.tk
* HJERNESPIND – P.O. Box 505 / 2200 Copenhagen / Denmark /
www.hjernespind.com
* HG FACT –
www.interq.or.jp/japan/hgfact
* PROFANE EXISTENCE – P.O. Box 8722 / Minneapolis, MN / 55408 / USA /
www.profaneexistence.com
* LIVING DARKNESS – 258 Markham Street / Toronto, ON / M6J 2G6 / Canada
* KAMASET LEVYT – Nakari / Sorinkatu 6B / 33100 Tampere / Finland / www.punkinfinland.net/kamanen

The Vapids "The Point Remains the Same" CD

The songs on here are:
1. Parents in Heat
2. Dead Letter Department
3. Endless Run
4. Blue Fields and Foul Mouths
5. The Princeton Ferry
6. Got Me on a Leash
7. Nowhere Man
8. Buzzard Luck
9. Touched by an Angel
10. Why Does It Gotta Be
11. Sign Language
12. Life on Mars
13. Human Zoo
14. God Bless the Internet
15. 9.18. Fft. Lee VA. 1952

Monday, October 29, 2007

DOA "Punk Rock Singles: 1978-99" CD

Captain Oi! released a CD that officially collected the eps that DOA between 1978 and 1999. The songs on here are:
1. Disco Sucks
2. Nazi Training Camp
3. Royal Police
4. Woke Up Screaming
5. The Prisoner
6. 13
7. World War 3
8. Whatcha Gonna Go?
9. Fucked Up Ronnie
10. The Enemy
11. My Old Man’s A Bum
12. New Wave Sucks
13. Fuck You
14. Burn It Down
15. General Strike
16. That’s Life
17. Billy And The Socreds
18. The Only Thing Green
19. Folsom Prison Blues
20. It’s Not Unusual
21. Dead Men Tell No Tales
22. Marijuana Motherfuckers
23. Beat `Em Bust `Em
24. World Falls Apart
25. Used To Be Revolution
26. Nervous Breakdown

Sunday, October 28, 2007

Flyer - Sunday October 28, 2007

Radio - Sunday October 28, 2007

CHAOS U.K. - The End is Nigh (Cherry Red)
DEAD KENNEDYS - Hallowe'en (Alternative Tentacles)
NOMEANSNO - Dead Souls (Alternative Tentacles)
MISFITS - All Hell Breaks Lose (Ruby)
BAD BRAINS - Fearless Vampire Killers (Abstract)
DISKONTO - Happy Happy Hallowe'en (C.A.F.)
SONS OF ISHMAEL - Hallowe'en Party (Self-Released)
ILL REPUTE - Monster Mash (Grand Theft Audio) THE
ACCUSED - the Hearse (Combat)

THE VAPIDS - Got Me on a Leash (Self-Released)
DICKIES - Manny, Moe and Jack (Captain Oi!)
TRANZMITORS - Everyone Wants to Lose Control (Deranged)
SHOCKS - Simulation (Dirty Faces)
KAKKA HATA-77 - Hamaan Haimatulehdukseen Asti (Combat Rock Industries)
SUNPOWER - My God Rides a Skateboard (Peter Bower)
SPERMBIRDS - Set an Example (Common Thread)

HOMOSTUPIDS - Back with the Wolf (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Brown Items (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Weekend (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Candy Candor (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Apeshit (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Mr. Payback (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Taping the Worm (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Caveman (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Flies Die (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Interview (CIUT)
HOMOSTUPIDS -
Station ID (CIUT)

RAW/WAR - Raw (Crash 'n Burn)
RED DONS - Everyday Distraction (Deranged)
YOUNG WASTENERS - Suburban Voize (Hjernespind)
DISSENT - Somewhere (Amity)
THE MEATMEN - I've Got a problem (Touch n Go)
ULCER - Don't Wanna Show It (Outcast)
EAD STOP - Dead alive (Deranged)
BATTLETORN - Terminal dawn (Mad at the World)
TOTALITAR - Klassinte Ras (Prank)
BILL BONDSMEN - End of the cold / Signals (Acme)
HONOR ROLE - I'm a Nerd (No Way)

Demo Feature
REPROBATES - Abandoned City (Self-Released)
REPROBATES - Brainwashed (Self-Released)
REPROBATES - Falling Apart (Self-Released)
REPROBATES - Self Destruct (Self-Released)
REPROBATES - Rat Maze (Self-Released)

TRIGGER EFFECT - Dropping Acid into the Eyes of Your Enemies (Signed by Force)

U.T.I. demo


The songs on here are:
1. Stavrogin
2. Mr. McGloob
3. Limp Generation
4. Cunt
5. Schadenfreude
6. Nope
7. Bull Tits
8. A Fish

Saturday, October 27, 2007

Flyer - Saturday October 27, 2007

Newmarket has a Rocktoberfest event every year. This is the line up for 2007.

Flyer - Saturday October 27, 2007


Friday, October 26, 2007

Flyer - Friday October 26, 2007

A great play on "Simple Life". All local show.

Thursday, October 25, 2007

Flyer - Thursday October 25, 2007

The Misfits played toronto with Balzac who are Japan's answer to the Misfits. Dirty Bird and Famous Monsters opened up.

Sunday, October 21, 2007

Radio - Sunday, October 21, 2007



STATUES - Living in Lines (Radio 81)

WHITE LUNG - Amy White Out (Hockey Dad)
KAMIKAZE - Knit and Thrash (Dirty Faces)
KIELTOLAKI - Uskallatko Kyseenalaistaa ? (Moo Cow)
STATE - Fight to be Free (Punks Before Profit$)
BLANK STARE - Violence (Refuse)

TRUST - Egoismo (Emancypunx)
HIT ME BACK - In the eyes of those who don't see (Refuse)
HOODS UP - Best of Times (Refuse)
BLACK JACKET - Democratic Timebomb (Self-Released)
NEW WINDS - Half Mast Flag (Refuse)
7 SECONDS - Walk Together, Rock Together (Positive Force)

Studio 3 Session
STATUES - You Can't Wash (Dirty Thoughts) (CIUT)
STATUES - Click (CIUT)
STATUES - Distance / Duration (CIUT)
STATUES - Electric Fences (CIUT)
STATUES - Living in Lines (CIUT)
STATUES - Nerve Damage (CIUT)
STATUES - No Time (CIUT)
STATUES - Pin Point (CIUT)
STATUES - Shipping News (CIUT)
STATUES - The Last Stand (CIUT)
STATUES - Interview (CIUT)
STATUES - The Last Stand (Radio 81)

WASTE MANAGEMENT - W.B.D. (Painkiller)
SECOND OPINION - American Way (Cowabunga)
NO CONTEST - Where Do We Go From Here ? (Mad at the World)
BRAIN HANDLE - Been Done (Fashionable Idiots)
THE RITES - Are We Still Laughing / Pig Gestapo (Dead Alive)
DISCARGA - A Agera ? / Vivendo (Peculio Discos)
DRY ROT - Human Trophy (Cold Vomit)
KAKKA-HATA 77 - Kakku Hata 77 Go Go (Combat Rock Industry)
DERIDE - Yourself (Mad at the World)
SSD - Words That Kill (Taang!)
THE STRAPS - No Liquor (Donut)

Demo Feature
HARD CHARGER - Hard Charger Death Stomp (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Overdose Boogie (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Blood Soaked Highway (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Invader (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Beer Bong (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Pure Evil (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - I'm Your Worst Nightmare (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Line Wars (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Pipe Bomb (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Ruiner (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Hammer Down (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - No Backing Down (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Thunder Toke (Self-Released)
HARD CHARGER - Hellbound War Dead (Self-Released)

Hostage Life "White Jesus" ep

Hostage Life's latest ep recorded in the Winter of 2007. A friend of theirs released this on his label called Black Pint Records. Songs on here are:
1. White Jesus
2. New Drugs
3. Hostage Life's Young Wards
4. Mr Suit (Cover of Wire)

Tuesday, October 16, 2007

Sudden Impact "No Rest from the Wicked" CD

This was the first of two CD releases by Marquee Records out of Brazil. It was part of a Classic core series by the label and coincided with some releases by Toronto thrash metal bands. This first CD collects the first album "No Rest from the Wicked", the demo "Freaked out", a live show from Montreal recorded in 1986, and some tracks recorded with the "It Came from the Pit" comp. Here is the track listing:

No Rest from the Wicked LP
1. Keep on Trucking
2. Just Yourself
3. No Rest from the Wicked
4. To Our Glorious Dead
5. First Time There
6. Bent
7. Terrorist Attack
8. Continuing Saga
9. Caught Up
10. Why Hide
11. Sudden Impact
12. I Got a Right

Freaked Out demo
13. Cat's Life
14. Paint Fumes
15. Caught Up
16. Bent OK
17. Steamy Loafs
18. New Song
19. Drunk Driving
20. Freaked Out
21. Sudden Impact
22. Gonzo

Live at Foufounnes Electrique (10/04/86)
23. Keep on Trucking
24. Why Hide
25. Paint Fumes
26. Bent OK
27. Caught Up
28. Same in the end
29. First Time There
30. Sudden Impact
It Came from the Pit session
31. Drunk Driving
32. Gonzo (Alternate version)

Monday, October 15, 2007

Interview: Young Lions


When I was first getting into the local hardcore scene everyone I knew from an older generation said you need to listen to the YOUNG LIONS. This phenomenon wasn’t a few select people, it was everyone. They were talking about how good this band was. The YOUNG LIONS were a hardcore band from Toronto that ushered in the new hardcore scene and embodied elements of the CLASH and STIFF LITTLE FINGERS in their sound, fusing it with the speed and capturing the energy of hardcore. They were a bridge between punk and hardcore. The band was known for their anti-racist work, in particular their support for Rock Against Racism. In a Roots Rock Rebel army fashion the YOUNG LIONS would loan out the “garage” which was their makeshift living quarters as a rehearsal space to the 20th CENTURY REBELS, who were a local ska / reggae band at the time. This was around 1980 and the band would go on to release a couple of full length cassettes and an album titled “Welcome to the Freak Show”. They were known for their cassette releases, some of which have come out as an LP on Schizophrenic Records titled “1982-’84: From the Vaults.” This interview was a phone conversation with the bass player Chris Genest back in 2007.

Hi Chris. You were the bass player in the YOUNG LIONS is that correct?
That is correct.
Okay who else was in the band?
We had Mike McCurdy on guitar and vocals and Steve Kuzell was the drummer. We had some secondary guitar players who went through the band.
Through different periods.
Yeah a couple of different periods here and there.
How did the YOUNG LIONS form? Can you tell me who was first in the band and how you grew?
Mike and I met at Humberside Collegiate High School in Toronto.
Is Humberside in Etobicoke?
No. It is in Toronto in the High Park area.
Okay. West side though.
He had just moved with his mother into an apartment down by High Park and Bloor so he transferred over to Humberside. So we were both in high school. Neither one of us was a jock type or anything like that so we didn’t fit into a clique so by default we just found each other like misfits.
Were you both into punk at the time? Did you turn each other on to some stuff.
I was.
You were the trouble maker.
Yeah, even when I was a kid I remember if I got an allowance the first thing I did was …. Over by where we lived at Jane and Bloor there was this small …. I think it was a Sam the Record Man, but it was a tiny store. It wasn’t like the one down on Yonge Street. I wasn’t allowed to go down to Yonge Street by myself. With my allowance I would go buy a 7” record or something like that so I was always on the cusp of what was going on musically and somehow I heard or had gotten a hold of either the RAMONES or the SEX PISTOLS or a CLASH song. Those guys were the big three that started the thing. If you think about it oddly enough all those bands were on major labels which is kind of an odd thing now that we look back at the history of punk.
But at the time it wasn’t that odd and it was probably the only way you could find this stuff really.
That’s true. That’s great that it was because it was underground like a lot of things were. You didn’t have the distribution and you didn’t have the promotion. It might have just died as an obscurity.
Yeah for sure.
So by chance I just came across it. Mike and I just met each other and connected and just started hanging out at his place and we would play records. He would play the YARDBIRDS and his dad’s HOWLIN WOLF records and I would say ‘Hey man check this out’ and pull out a RAMONES record or a DEAD BOYS record and so we just started a love for music, both of us and I think the punk thing just kind of taught both of us that we didn’t have to be virtuosos. We could just play from pure gut emotion. So we started writing songs and I can still remember one of the first songs Mike wrote. I think it was an homage to an old girlfriend or something like that. It was called “Green Army Eyes”. Great lyrics and it was a great song but I kind of said ‘Hey man why don’t we twist this a little bit and put a bit of a social commentary on it.’ He agreed with me or was open to it and so we re-wrote the lyrics. That song was a spring board into all the other songs we wrote together.
So the song was called “Green Army Eyes”?
That was the start of it. Then it changed to a song called “Things are Gonna Change”.
Okay.
Originally “Things are Gonna Change” was “Green Army Eyes”.
And that was the first song that you wrote.
That was the springboard where we went to more social political commentary.
How did you meet? Was Steve the third member?
Mike and I started writing songs. We went through a number of drummers before we met Steve. We were posting ads up in all the music stores and up on telephone poles. We would find good drummers but they were wanting to have a part in the song for their drum solo or the other end of it was when are we going to make some money?
That is part of the same kind of rock ego.
Yeah. That was still prevalent at the time. Both of us wanted to just play music. It just happened through friends of friends. There was a group of friends that I was hanging out with which is where I met Steve. Steve played drums. He didn’t want to play any drum solos, didn’t really care about the money.
And this was still in the high school days?
High school for us. Steve was a few years older than us. He’d been through high school. He was a self-employed entrepreneur would be the best way to put it.
When did the band form? What year?
I don’t recall exactly. Mike and I were in high school and once we got Steve into it we got enough songs to start playing out, but I think it was 1979.
Was there much of a local scene when you first started out? Was there bands that you would go and see? That you kind of figured out that this was what you wanted to do based on listening to these records.
Somewhat yeah. I think if I recall the drinking age in Ontario was 18 and we were under the wire it was tough to get into these bars that had these bands playing. At that time in Toronto it was still sort of the first wave of punk which was the VILETONES, the DEMICS. It was that first wave of punk.
When did you guys get good enough that you first could start playing out?
Actually it wasn’t a point of when we thought we were good enough it was at the point where we had enough songs to play a set.
Yeah. Right. Sure. You get anxious. You’ve got enough songs, let’s play out. Let’s do the next thing.
Right. Exactly. That was the idea of punk. It didn’t matter if we were good enough. It was like okay we have enough songs to play a set.
Let’s go. Who did you play with first? Who was your first gig with? I am wondering who you might have been playing with in the beginning?
I don’t recall. We just got some opening slots here and there probably from the first wave of punk to kids walking up to Screaming Sam from the VILETONES and saying ‘We have a band, can we open for you?’
Then they gave you a shot.
If I remember correctly we played some shows with some straight up rock bands of that time period.
Yeah which I don’t think would be uncommon.
Yeah and was met with some resistance.
Yeah of course. Probably people who didn’t want to see you again after that.
Exactly. They just didn’t understand the whole punk ethic.
They didn’t get it. What about some of the bands that you might have been playing with that were of the punk scene? Who might have been some of the bands that you might have played with?
The thing that came along when we started getting a few shows and started meeting people would be YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH that we shared a great friendship with and a lot of shows together. There was a lot of history with them. At that time you had to stick together. There was rockers and jocks that just didn’t get it so we had to …
Group together to protect yourselves. It was survival.
We had to make our own scene.
I remember that. I came out of that scene and I remember that rockers and jocks were not your friends and you had to watch your back and you looked for anybody who might have been into anything alternative and you just kind of stuck together. Out of survival really. There was a broad spectrum of alternative at that point. All kinds of things were coming out from industrial music to generic punk. The thing that we knew as punk. There was mods and teddy boys. Anyway I understand what you are talking about. I do get it. So YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH were one of the bands. Now I read somewhere that you wrote “Made in England”. Was that a song that you wrote?
Yeah we wrote that.
Did you ever record that song?
We did.
The only time I have heard it is on the “Re-packaged” YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH release on the demo side. So they also played that song. It was your song. And they sort of played it out of respect, like you would play your friends songs out of tribute or homage. Was that the idea?
Yeah. When they asked us if they could play it and record it was a great honour. Most definitely. They were throwing us a lot of respect. That was great.
The idea behind the song was sort of basically a pot shot at the English scene or saying that England is not the only thing. There is hardcore and punk scenes everywhere. Was that the idea?
That was more about Mike getting frustrated because we had been working trying to build a punk rock scene and we weren’t getting the people out to help promote shows.
I think one of the lines makes reference to checking out ANTI-NOWHERE LEAGUE instead of checking out your own local scene.
Right because there was people in the punk scene and even the punk scene was divided but there was people in the punk scene who thought the Toronto punk bands were garbage because they didn’t have a “Made in UK” stamp on them. That song was a rebuttal to that kind of attitude. Hey we’re here too.
And Toronto did have a great punk scene just unrecognized really because we weren’t from London or New York or San Francisco or wherever the beaten path was at the time.
Yeah. Toronto punk rock was almost second or third class.
I want to ask you about that Sam the Record Man store out in High Park, did that have actual punk records in it?
No, I just remember that from when I was a kid.
Because the stores that we used to go to were mostly on Yonge Street, like Record on Wheels and the Peddler on Queen Street East. Those were probably the only places you could get punk material. Sam’s had some stuff and A&As, but I had never heard of a store outside of the Yonge Street strip that really carried punk
I was remembering my early childhood, but when I got a little older into my teens and saved up my money from summer jobs I would go downtown. That is one of the things I miss when going into record stores is you could go into the new release rack and find the PRETENDERS, the RAMONES, DEAD BOYS, ELVIS COSTELLO, SEX PISTOLS, CLASH, BUZZCOCKS, the DAMNED all on one rack.
And you would be racking your brain trying to figure out what you could afford.
Right because I had enough for one record.
But you wanted all of them.
Exactly.
At least you wanted to hear them because they peaked your interest.
Eventually you got there.
Tell me about the name the YOUNG LIONS. I understand the name came from a film that Dean Martin, Montgomery Clift, and Marlon Brando were in and it had sort of an anti war theme. Was that the idea?
That was the idea. That film came from a book. I believe the author was Irwin Shaw. He wrote a book called “The Young Lions”.
Were these characters the people who stood up to the establishment or what was the idea. I have never seen the film. I am trying to get the idea of what the name came to mean.
Anti-war film.
Was that a big part of the YOUNG LIONS?
Most definitely.
At the time I remember we were all thinking that World War III was around the corner. There was a nuclear arms race going on. The Cold War was at its height. We thought people were going to push the button at any time. It pretty much pre-dominated our thoughts.
Yeah, they have just re-packaged it as terrorism.
Today. Yeah.
Still the fear factor and a whole lot of waste of time and energy on that garbage.
You were also very involved in the Rock Against Racism scene. I think two of you were involved in the decision making of that organization. Tell us about the involvement of the YOUNG LIONS in R.A.R. You played a lot of their shows.
Yeah we were one of their resounding bands. We had met a couple of guys who had been in contact with the Rock Against Racism group in London and they asked for permission to open a Toronto chapter. One guy’s name was Terry and the other was Nick. I don’t recall their last names.
That scene largely started out in England … that movement that political organization.
So those guys were at one of our shows and they approached us and told us what they were doing and we said “Heck yeah, we are behind you 110%.”
Some of your early material had reggae and dub influences in it. It reminded me a lot of STIFF LITTLE FINGERS and the RUTS and that kind of stuff. I thought the YOUNG LIONS were our version of the RUTS or that rock rebel army anti-racist agitation kind of stuff. Is that an accurate assessment?
I would say so. That was the influence at the time. The YOUNG LIONS, the one thing about us was we took our influences from everything. But at the time that we were doing a lot of recording and gigging we were heavily into that.
Like the CLASH were big into that. I was watching “Westway to the World” and I was listening to them re-tell that era you know with the large West Indian population and their influences through reggae music it kind of reminded me of the YOUNG LIONS when I was watching that movie.
Most definitely. At that time there was a large contingency of Jamaicans who lived in Toronto and I’m sure there still is who live in Toronto. Along with everybody immigrating from Jamaica came reggae music and some of our best friends were a group called the 20th CENTURY REBELS.
Now did they jam with you at your space the garage?
Yeah well we opened that space to anybody that needed it.
A friend of mine played in the 20th CENTURY REBELS. A friend of mine, his brother was in the band. His name was Locksley and he played sax.
Yeah. I remember Locksley. Good man. Those guys were all great people. I had a great time with those guys.
There were super awesome. They recorded a 12” called “Rebel Vibe” and it was self-released so you could tell that they had the punk ethic and when I went down to see them the first time they weren’t adverse to this white punk kid hanging out with them. I didn’t know the connection with the YOUNG LIONS before then. It is starting to make sense to me now. There was other bands like TRUTH AND RIGHTS and MOJAH in the early punk era I think may have appeared on “The Last Pogo”. Is that starting to make sense?
Yeah. I remember their names but I think the reason we connected with the REBELS was because they were open to the rebellion of the punk ideal. I mean they were doing the same thing just in a different musical genre.
Rebels within the reggae scene.
Right.
And that just spoke to BOB MARLEY’s “Punky Reggae Party” and that similar connection and the parallels between the two scenes that big reggae artists and the punk scene were pointing out and people were trying to forge with people like DON LETTS who were trying to make that connection. Rebels of the same kind.
Right and a lot of musicians in the Toronto scene were learning from the English Rock Against Racism scene. All that we all cared about was some individual rights and freedom and peace. It didn’t matter whether we played reggae or punk rock or whether we were black, white, yellow purple, blue, or green. We’d all try to work together and unfortunately sometimes the audiences missed the idea.
But what was cool was some of the stuff …you embraced dub and reggae into some of your material and brought it to a punk scene at least a local punk scene and created some kind of common ground for the two scenes to co-exist.
Yeah. It was also a big influence at the time.
Well let me ask you about other influences. What were some of the punk influences at that time? After the CLASH and the RAMONES took hold, would it be fair to say that you were into the RUTS and the CLASH and that kind of stuff or ….
Yeah. The CLASH, STIFF LITTLE FINGERS, the RUTS. It was sort of a mix where you take all that English, Irish punk rock scene and mix it with some of the New York RAMONES, DEAD BOYS, which sounded almost like older punk rock by then and then we started networking and finding out about the American hardcore scene. Hardcore as they called it. It was still punk rock. When we discovered that … when we first played a RAMONES record it was like ‘Wow, listen to how fast that is.’ A year later that was slow. Listen to these guys. The CIRCLE JERKS, DEAD KENNEDYS….
Yeah, people just outdoing each other or upping the ante a bit.
A little more coffee and play those chords a little faster.
I wanted to ask you about the garage. Was that your rehearsal space?
That was an everything space.
Tell us about it. What was it?
We got into that through a friend of mine who had rented the space from a gentleman who lived in the house just in front of it. What it was was a two story garage that we found out many years ago used to be a worm processing plant.
Like fish bait?
Yeah I guess. There was a conveyor belt in the place and everything.
Really?
Yeah, so it was a two story garage where you could drive in a car and my friend who found it was originally trying to refurbish and old GTO. He kind of wanted to give up the space so we took it over and since none of us really had any kind of employment that was cheap and the price was right. There was times where we had to ask bands if they wanted to rehearse there just so we could pay the rent. There was some tough times.
Whereabouts was the space? I was asking Pete this the other night and he was thinking it was maybe around the Dufferin and Queen area.
Dufferin north of Queen street probably closer to Dundas.
Which was partially an industrial part of town.
No. It was mostly residential. It was on a residential street. Even though they used it as a worm factory previously it just looked like a big wooden two story structure
I imagine sound insulation wasn’t really in there so you must have got some hassles from the neighbours if it was mostly residential.
Oddly enough the room we used to rehearse in was there cold storage room so it did have some insulation. We lucked out on that. We put up a few mattresses around to dampen the sound even more. Yeah the neighbours complained but after a while they kind of got used to us. I think some of them were afraid of us.
Did any shows go on at the garage or was it just mostly a practice space?
A couple of shows.
More parties.
Yeah more parties. People just doing some punk rock jams. There was too much damage from those parties so we kind of ended that because we also had to live there.
Pete said that at one point the floor was mostly made out of beer caps.
I don’t know if it got that far. I just remember the floor being plywood.
I’m sure anything would stick into it.
It was mostly plywood. There was no heating, no hot water, no shower, no stove. Just a refridgerator.
A place to keep equipment. Who was practicing out of the space?
We were, YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH were for a while, 20th CENTURY REBELS used it for a while. A couple of other bands. And then it was also the kind of place where touring band would crash when they needed a place to stay.
When did the garage exist around?
’80 to ’83. A couple of years. Unfortunately we had a small fire, large enough that the fire department had to be called and when they found out that people lived there that pretty much ended the existence of the garage so we just kind of disbursed and went our separate ways. Unfortunately that was the beginning of the end for the YOUNG LIONS because our home base got destroyed.
You didn’t really have anywhere else to go.
Right. Those were tough times. We were all pretty poor.
And I doubt that there was many places to rehearse at that point. Since then rehearsal studios are popping up but back then I’m not sure where people were practicing. Mostly garages or basements or things like that.
Or if you found a place in an industrial area. The thing was you had to go search it out by yourself. There wasn’t these rehearsal complexes like they have now.
Yeah sure. I don’t remember that at all. The first time I remember seeing a rehearsal type space was like in the late 1980’s. That was after your period. Tell us about your demos. How many demos did you put out because I was thinking there might have been three but your brother was telling me that possibly you recorded other stuff. He thought officially there was two demos. Was there two demos or three demos or?
There was two demos. The first one …
When I am talking about demos, back then tape releases were considered official releases. These are what I am talking about. Demos that you could get at local stores with covers and things like that. Cassette releases essentially. That was the cheapest way to get something out.
Yeah exactly. Pressing vinyl was beyond our means. Most of the bands at the time in the scene the quickest way to release a record to do it on cassette and we thought the BAD BRAINS first release was on cassette so if it is good enough for the BAD BRAINS it is good enough for all of us. So that’s what we did. It was a quick fast medium, it was easy to throw together. You could DIY it pretty much all yourself. So the first recording … actually we recorded in the garage with a guy who lived across the street. His name was Rick. He was also a musician. Older guy but he had an 8-track so we actually used the garage to record that first demo and then after that through playing shows we scraped together enough cash to go into a studio and do some recording. Not sure if it was going to be released or not. We scraped up enough cash to get some tapes dubbed and get some covers photocopied and whatnot and maybe get the second one out. I think maybe you are right. About two official releases if you want to use that terminology. There is one recording that we did at a place called Trinity Studios.
Was that near OCA?
Off of Queen Street?
There used to be a video place there and I think it was part of Trinity studios. When I was talking to Rob Mallion he said that YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH actually did some recording through Brian the drummer. He had some kind of connection there and he had recorded some stuff.
I believe that is right. I believe it was Brian, the drummer from YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH who got us in there and actually that is the one recording that I do not have the master tapes to. I don’t know who has the master tapes so anybody listening who has those the YOUNG LIONS recordings at Trinity Studios if you could drop them off at Hits and Misses at 860 Bloor Street West because it would be nice to have those. That was a five or six song recording. There are some things that have never been released from that. There are some good songs on there too.
I want to go back and talk to you about the first demo, the one that was recorded at the garage. Do you know roughly what time that was recorded? Was it 1980, ’81, ’82?
I think ’80 sounds about right.
Do you know how many songs were on the demo?
I think it was about ten or twelve.
Do you recall what songs were on it? Do you know what the titles were?
Oh….
What was the name of the demo? Self-titled or … because I have some other titles here. “Freedom?” I think that might have been the second one.
The “Freedom” demo is the second one and that’s the one with the picture of the bass that I played at the time on the cover. The other one is a drawing that Mike did with the guitar player jumping.
That was the second one?
That was the cover for the first one.
I have a picture of you guys playing live with the YOUNG LIONS in a stencil thing underneath.
That is the one that has slipped through the cracks in my archives.
Is that the one that was recorded at the Trinity Studios?
Is it is then I have never actually gotten a copy of that.
I don’t actually have these but I have seen pictures of them sent to me so I am just looking at some stuff that I have seen, but never actually held.
I’m sort of in the same boat.
So the second demo, when was that recorded?
That would have been about a year later.
1981. And what studio did you go to?
We went to a number of studios.
Was Brian Taylor doing a lot of recording at the time?
Brain Taylor of YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH had hooked up with Reciprocal Sound.
Was that part of that? Did he record you guys at all?
What we recorded in there was the material that went on to “T.O Hardcore ‘83” comp.
So that was a different recording.
That was a different session right.
Was there other songs that you recorded at that time that didn’t go on the “T.O Hardcore” comp?
I believe because of time and money that we recorded just enough for the comp.
So everything went to that.
We wanted to but … the owner of the studio and Brain put up the cash and let us know when we were done.
What about the BYO comp? Was that around that time too or was that later?
Roughly about the same time.
Was that a different studio recording?
That was a different studio recording.
It wasn’t the Trinity studio?
No.
What came next, was it the BYO comp or the other unreleased demo?
Chronologically I don’t recall, but that whole BYO comp, getting onto that was through Jill Heath, who was a great supporter of the local scene and became a promoter in her own right. She put on a lot of shows. She did a lot of work. I can’t say enough about how much energy and support she put into the scene at that time. I think Jill held it up for a number of years.
Yeah. A lot of memorable shows were shows that were JillJill Productions shows. I remember her doing lots of photos at the time. Some of the photos were appearing in scene reports in Maximumrocknroll and stuff. So that is how I was founding out about my local scene through a fanzine from San Francisco but thanks to Jill’s work. She credits the YOUNG LIONS for getting her into punk rock at least the local scene. I don’t know if you know that.
Yeah, I kind of know that.
She told me this story … I mean I asked her how she got into punk rock and she saw some stiff on CBC and then she started going to downtown Toronto and the first thing that she saw was a Rock Against Racism flyer that the YOUNG LIONS were playing and then she went to some of the organizing meetings and met you guys and that is how she got into the local scene. You guys are responsible for getting her into this thing which is great.
That was sort of our credo. The only reason we did it, when Mike and I started … it wasn’t anything about money ….
You were scene building pretty much.
I don’t know if we were scene building or if we were just trying to help people open their eyes to things going on around them in the world politically … socially. Trying to make a better scene … a better world. Our credo was if we play a show and we can get one person to change their thought process or at least consider these other options our job was done. We just stuck to that.
There is endless amounts of people when I was first getting into the local scene kept on telling me to listen to the YOUNG LIONS. That is the one thing that I could say was that people always referred to the YOUNG LIONS. The YOUNG LIONS had a reputation that was respectable and sort of the cornerstone of the Toronto hardcore scene. There was a lot of other bands involved in that scene but the respect of the YOUNG LIONS was one thing that seems to be a constant for the people that I knew getting me into the local scene. Unfortunately I couldn’t find your demos anywhere. I wasn’t tapped in enough about finding out about places at that time so I only found out about it later after you were not playing which sucked for me but anyway that’s life. It’s shit sometimes.
Life is shit, but that is nice to hear.
One of the first comps that I remember picking up that had Canadian hardcore on it was this BYO comp called “Something to Believe In” and the YOUNG LIONS were part of that. YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH were part of it. ZEROPTION. So a number of Toronto bands and a number of other bands from out West like STRETCH MARKS and the UNWANTED from Winnipeg. Anyway there was …and I heard this from a couple of people …. Can you tell me the story about the comp and how the songs got butchered on this comp? I heard something about an engineer that BYO was working with that had to mix everything and he took everybody’s mixes and destroyed them, but particularly with the YOUNG LIONS there was a bigger scenario about the timing and stuff wasn’t there? Pete was telling me that the timing of your song is a couple of seconds off so things don’t sync up and it just sounds off.
Yeah I don’t know. Maybe that was the curse of the YOUNG LIONS. I mean we were just asked to be on it. We were honoured that we were asked. We went and did the recording and shipped off the master tape and it was done and forgotten. I don’t know.
There wasn’t much else in there. They didn’t ask for input or anything.
Whatever. What can you do? Whatever happens happens. We felt honoured to be asked to be on it and it was great that we got on it.
Yeah. I mean it was a pretty awesome comp nonetheless. But the curse of the YOUNG LIONS….so what is the curse of the YOUNG LIONS? Tell me about the curse of the YOUNG LIONS.
Oh I don’t know. Just making something up there.
No. I actually think there was a curse for the YOUNG LIONS. The LP that came out “Welcome to the Freak Show” it was more influenced by a REPLACEMENTS sound, like that Minneapolis rock sound. Sort of HUSKER DU-ish. I was expecting something different when I first saw that record come out and that became what people knew you for but the demos represented a different era and a different recording style. I don’t think you got known for what you initially started to be.
Well that may be true but that was the beauty of the three of us at least the core of the three of us working together. We never sat back on our laurels musically, we kept venturing out there and seeing how far we could take it. To us, writing was like ‘Okay lets see where this can go?’ One minute we could be playing some punk rock song and then just switch over and do a Johnny Cash song and then switch over and do a reggae song. For us punk meant that there was no musical boundaries whatsoever. Everything was wide open. I mean you and I can talk about this … if I could have recorded some of our rehearsals you would get a better idea. I mean we were just all over the map. At least for us that’s what punk was. Just keep venturing out there. The other part of punk was more of the social political critique I guess you could say.
Hand in hand. It was part of it. It was the more important part because it was the thing that disassociated bands from the rock scene. Of course the music was a lot faster, a lot more aggressive and angry sounding and all that other stuff but you know the message was as much a part of the medium.
Yeah. Most definitely. That was a big part of it for us.
Okay. I heard rumours that these demos were going to be released. Can you tell us about the idea behind that project? I know its speculation and we don’t want to jinx anything but what’s the idea anyway?
After many years of not … I somehow got back in touch with Brian Taylor of YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH and through e-mails he was suggesting that he would like to put out a YOUNG LIONS CD. I was living in Seattle at the time. I still have some of the YOUNG LIONS master tapes so what I did is I went into a studio that was compatible with that analogue tape and mixed it down and got some CD masters. I sent them off to Brain but it’s been a while. I know he wants to release a YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH CD….
Which is probably the thing he wants to put out first.
Right and that would be great. I am waiting for that too.
We all are. It sounds like there is a lot of material that he is sifting through in terms of the YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH stuff and it is probably tough because he is so close to that band, you know being the singer and stuff its hard to make decisions I’m sure. So the YOUNG LIONS CD is it going to be the two demos?
I sent over to him everything that I had.
So the two demos?
Yes.
And other material?
A little bit. But he has got CD masters of all the analogue tape masters that I have.
Now I heard that he has some other recordings too.
Right I heard that also.
Do you know what he has?
I asked him to send me some of those and he still hasn’t.
Oh so you don’t know what else he’s got.
I still don’t know where we are at with those.
Pete was on the show last week and he was telling me that there is a possibility that there might be a live YOUNG LIONS / YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH to come out as a follow up project after these first two releases.
Okay.
Do you know about that or no?
No. You guys are all in Toronto. You guys probably hear it better than I do.
Okay so you don’t know about this.
No. that is the first I have heard of it. Okay. You didn’t hear it from me. No. Just kidding. Okay so that is in the works we hope.
Hopefully yes. I’m sure it will see the light of day. I am going to ask you about some of the titles of some of the songs.
Sure.
What was the song “Freedom Fighter” about? Was it about any particular incendiary guerilla army?
Yeah I think it was kind of based on some … on my goodness. How can I put this? You are taking me way back.
Because at the time the ANC were big. The IRA. There were a number of guerrilla armies active.
Yeah that’s a good call. It was influenced by both of those movements. It was just paying homage to those movements …
In a general kind of way.
Yeah. And anybody else out there that was struggling for rights and freedoms.
The song “National Security”. It seems like a song that could be written today about the “War on Terror”.
Yeah.
I was reading something about this thinking it was about a crackdown on people’s personal rights during the Reagan era. Was that the idea?
It wasn’t that particular. It was more of a broad sweep of the whole situation. You just kind of said it right there. Oddly enough about a month ago I saw that song on a cassette and played it and said ‘Oh my goodness, twenty years later and we’re still going through this garbage. It’s ridiculous. We are not evolving well as a species. Myself living down in the States the military industrial complex pretty much runs this government so it makes you wonder if there is such a thing as democracy anymore. We are getting so much closer and this administration is really good at the double speak. They’ve got it down to a fine art. It’s scary. It really is. We were talking earlier about being on the brink of the Cold War and World War III and I think these times that we are living in right now are even scarier.
Then they were before?
Then they were before because how well governments have gotten at manipulating the media, controlling it and controlling peoples ideas about what is really going on.
Governments getting their spin out there and being able to have access to this kind of information even these days because that seems to be clamped down a lot more than anything. With the corporatization of media and the lack of individual voices, and the ability to be able to even access this information there is less out there then we knew before.
Yeah and supposedly in the greatest democracy in history or on the planet at this time it is actually not a democracy. It’s funny living down here in the States. I talk to a lot of people and go to a lot of peace and justice meetings and everybody says we get the republicans out of there and get the democrats in there and I am just sitting there on the outer edge saying you know folks what you need is a couple of more political parties to be watchdogs. It doesn’t matter what they are down here. It’s the same thing.
Red or blue its still the same.
Yeah they are in the pocket. It’s scary. Unfortunate but it is also very scary that “National Security” is still as poignant today as it was when we wrote it.
Tell me about the song “Young Amerika”. Spelled with a K.
That was a stab at Reagan, Republican youth.
Yeah right. The New right was just starting up around then.
Yeah. And again it has come around full circle. It is back again and now they call themselves neo-conservatives and I think they are closer to neo-nazis more than anything. Their social ideas are rather eskew. What supposedly this country of America stands for is justice and freedom.
Yeah. “Guns and Children”?
Just that. I mean the title pretty much sums that song up.
There was a lot of wars going on in Africa at the time and a lot of kids were being used for child soldiers. Is that what it is about?
I think, if I am remembering correctly, Mike was of Irish decent so he really stayed abreast of what was happening with the Irish Republican Army and what was happening in Belfast and the conflict with the UK at that time. The basic idea of that song is how guns obliterate the innocence of childhood within the matter of a second, of pulling a trigger, holding a gun, seeing violence on television. Your childhood innocence is gone.
So basically war robbing you of childhood.
Exactly.
So essentially an anti-war theme. “Royal Killers”, is that about the Royal Canadian Air Force?
Nope. I wrote the lyrics to that one. That was a song about the hierarchy of … I think I had the King and Queen of England in mind and just how they facilitate the violence without really even …. I guess the song is basically about primarily they are the ones responsible.
The blood is on their hands.
Exactly. And they are trying to keep it clean with their little white ….
Buckingham Palace.
Everything’s clean. Everything’s pristine. We’re squeaky clean but if you really look at it you’ve got blood on your hands. That’s no excuse.
Your not pulling the trigger but you are by making decisions to go to war. I wanted to ask you some other things about some general questions. I wanted to ask you what might have been your most memorable show with the YOUNG LIONS? Who might have been on the bill and give me an idea about the show.
There was so many.
Did you guys play much out of town?
We did.
Whereabouts did you play?
We played London, Ontario. I think we played the Embassy Hotel. We played with DOA there.
Yeah. That’s still around.
Good. A lot of the times these places that we all played, even DOA were front runners of this, we were playing old man dive bars. Like the Horseshoe. It used to be an old man country and western bar. Stompin’ Tom Connors played there.
It’s still a well known punk bar. Still to this day.
Beautiful. The first time we played the Horseshoe I was in awe. I was honoured because I was standing on the same stage that Stompin’ Tom Connors played. Some people can never say that. It was great to play with DOA. The SUBHUMANS I remember us opening for. There was a show with YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH, the YOUNG LIONS, and the DEAD KENNEDYS at the Concert Hall.
No way. What was that like?
That was a great show.
I remember seeing this interview on New Music kind of ridiculed the show with this girl who came out of the show in awe saying “Jello kicked me in the head”. I was like “What? That’s it. That’s all you can tell me about the show.” Tell us a bit more about that show because I heard it was an amazing show.
We were on first so we went up and played. We were trying to delay our set because Brain the singer from YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH was caught up with something and still wasn’t at the venue so we were kind of delaying trying to buy him some time to get there. We couldn’t do it much anymore so we finished our set and Brain still wasn’t there. YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH were scheduled to play and Mike McCurdy offered to go up there and sing for YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH and did a great job.
Wow. And he knew all the lyrics?
Yeah. Well as close as you can get. Sometimes a good scream will fill a lot of words in. he did a great job and they played a great set. The only unfortunate thing about it was the DEAD KENNEDYS … I don’t know if it was the manager or what but he tried to re-neg on paying us and YOUTH YOUTH YOUTH. That was a little bit of a depressing situation. I didn’t realize that the whole punk thing was about money, but I guess for some of these groups it was. That was an eye opener.
Especially for a band like the DEAD KENNEDYS.
That happened to us again when we played a couple of shows with T.S.O.L. and they tried to shaft us for our pay. We thought what is the deal here. Are all California bands into this punk rock thing for the money?
Yeah. You’d get that impression.
Then of course there was YOUTH BRIGADE….
…which were kind of the opposite.
Yeah it was totally the opposite. They re-instated our faith in punk rock.
For sure, especially tauting the charge of the Positive Youth Organization.
Most definitely. Lets see what else. There was a club down in Windsor, which was another old man bar. The only person that was ever there was this old lady that looked like she was about 800 years old. White hair wearing the grandmother nightgown. She used to keep this heavy iron chain link and she would …. I remember this because I went up and asked if we could get some water on stage and I got the chain instead. Smack across this metal bar. ‘I don’t serve water here. Labatt’s Blue or nothing.’ That was funny. There was great things about everything. It was just a great experience all the way around.
Did you ever play the Turning Point, the Upper Lip, Larry’s Hideaway?
Oh yeah. We did all of those.
Did you get to open up for some other bands, like the DEAD KENNEDYS is pretty big. I would think that would be one of the biggest bands you could open for. Were there other bands like that. T.S.O.L. you said. Did you ever play with ARTICLES OF FAITH.
Yeah. We played with ARTICLES OF FAITH. SUBHUMANS from Vancouver, DOA. Those were two big ones to come out of Vancouver. Just a whole sleuth of other bands. Any and every time was just a blast. The Turning Point was home for us for a while. I still remember that was another …. I found that bar somehow.
You found it.
It was myself or somebody else. I can’t remember.
So you guys basically turned it into a punk place.
Yeah. I still remember going to the two folks that ran it. It was this older couple Joe and Anne. They must have been in their sixties or seventies. They were great people.
I remember seeing them. The first show I ever went to see was at the Turning Point.
They were great people and I said ‘there is no one in here. I can get about twenty or thirty people in here if you let us play.’
And they were into it.
Yeah. All they wanted to do was get some people in there and sell some beer.
I remember people just going into the fridge and grabbing beer. It was one of those really old fridges from the fifties. That was basically their beer fridge.
Right. I remember that.
Back in the era of stubbies.
They were staunch supporters whether they knew it or not. They really helped us keep the scene going for a while because at that time it was hard to find clubs to play in.
Yeah. There wasn’t many.
If you were labeled punk.
The ones that had started up had crashed and burned.
Yeah. They were short lived. There was one guy. Another fellow who was a booker. I can’t remember his last name but his first name was Ian. He was on par with Jill for really supporting the scene. Trying to find clubs where he could get consistent booking in. It was very transient. A club would be up for a month or two and then there would be an incident or the owner found out it was punk rock and then it was down and we would have to move somewhere else.
So people were used to going to new places all the time.
Right.
Start Dancing took place in these church basements and I remember seeing BLACK FLAG play the Party Centre on Church Street and that was probably the only time I went there. Then there was the Turning Point and Upper Lip. Nuts & Bolts did a show or two. It was just kind of all over the place.
A lot of time it was just taking over old man bars. Old man blue collar bars. They would at least give us one shot. Whether they sold a lot of beer or not was usually the deciding factor of whether we were going to be asked back again. With that in mind, going back to Jill and Ian, kudos to them. As transient as it was those people really logged a lot of hours trying to secure venues and make it work.
Back to the most memorable show, do you have any thoughts? Would that be the DEAD KENNEDYS show?
That was a good one. The Windsor shows were …. because we played there a couple of times. One of those Windsor shows was the most memorable because driving home on the 401 in a heavy blizzard and the fan belt went out on us.
Oh fuck.
Yeah we were stuck for a few hours.
In the cold. Brutal. In the middle of nowhere.
Actually we didn’t even get out of Windsor. The reason I remember this is because a few of our friends wanted to get out of town so they came with us because we always used to tour in Steve’s van. So it was all the equipment and the three of us and this time there was three more people. So we played this show in Windsor and we are heading home. It was two or three in the morning and it wasn’t the fan belt, it was the alternator going out. So we got stuck …. We were getting gas and the gas attendant said you can’t stay in the parking lot so the five of us were pushing the van at three o’clock in the morning in Windsor out of this gas station. Sure enough the police come along ‘What are you guys doing? You gotta stay in the van. You can’t stay here.’ I had a cousin who lived in Detroit across the river. Waited until seven o’clock in the morning. We just stayed up and we all had to group together under blankets because we were freezing. Being that it was in the States on a Sunday, I think it might have even been Super Bowl Sunday. He saved us. He found us an auto parts store, drove across the bridge, found us, helped us put in the alternator and we got home. That experience alone not just the gig but everything that happened after it.
It’s pretty crazy. It’s ironic that you were stuck in the heart of an auto industrial belt.
Yeah but on a Sunday morning. Back then a lot of stores weren’t open on Sunday.
Was there many bands in Windsor at the time? Who were you playing with? Did you play with local bands like the DRY HEAVES or were you playing with bands from Detroit?
It was mostly local bands in Windsor. I don’t recall any bands coming across the river from Detroit.
Was there any bands known from the scene in Windsor or London or any of these places?
There was some bands coming up but again it was pretty much the pioneer days when you are trying to forge a path through there. Most of the times we were lucky enough to get money for something to eat and gas money to get back home.
Can you tell me about the album. The album seems like its from a different era from the demoes. It seems a bit like a departure.
That was done sort of on purpose. For us the whole punk thing meant that there was no musical boundaries. We just wanted to stretch it. The recording studio I think was called Wexford.
It’s on the back of the album. Tracks 1 through 5 were at Wexford. Tracks were mixed at Enormous and Soundpath. Produced by the Mod Squad.
So we started the recording and got most of them done at Wexford. Again it was a monetary thing. We just ran out of money so we had stopped recording. Mike being an amazing guitar player and going into a 24 track studio it was kind of like working with a punk rock Jimmy Hendrix. Mike was like ‘Come on. Let me lay some more guitar tracks.’ I’m like ‘Go for it.’ We were flipping the tape over while he does backwards guitar work. Once again why restrict your creativity?
And probably the only chance you’ll get.
Yeah.
How often is this going to happen where you are going to be in this studio with all these toys?
Yeah. So we did that and then this was about the time that the YOUNG LIONS were drifting apart and again that all happened back to us losing our central base at the Garage. Those were the last days of the YOUNG LIONS.
Did you guys break up after this?
Yeah. Just shortly after things just kind of … we didn’t really sit down and break up. Things just fell apart. My family … my brother and my mom and step dad were living in Portland, Oregon and I had kind of been excommunicated from them for about five or six years and was kind of keeping in touch with my brother Pete through mail and I was sending him punk rock cassettes and he was turning me onto bands like ANGEL CITY out of Australia and other things I had never heard of and I would send him all these punk rock compilation tapes. I got a call from the family saying ‘What ya doin?’ Do you want to kind of reconcile and be part of the family again?’ I was missing my brother and family so … that whole week was … I didn’t have a job, YOUNG LIONS sort of fell apart, I broke up with my girlfriend at the time all within this one week span and six years out of the blue my mom calls and so I thought okay things happen for a reason so maybe this is a time for a change of venue.
Was Yodel Gems you guys?
No. That was just a group of guys that … I am not trying to blow my own horn here or anything, but those are just some guys that thought we were some kind of punk rock gods and they said ‘Sign this contract and we will pay for everything.’
Who was it?
Three or four guys in their teens that had some money and just wanted to see us put out a record. So that’s what we did. So getting back to ….I moved out to Portland, Oregon and then got a call about the record and finishing it so I headed back to Toronto and we finished up the recording for a week and there you have “Welcome to the Freak Show”.
I wanted to ask you about something involving Second City. I understand you are the creative force behind the song “Queen Haters” the song that is a punk parody that involved John Candy who was looking like one of the guys from the EXPLOITED and they did this song on a skit called “Queen Haters”. I understand that the YOUNG LIONS were the people who actually wrote the song.
That was interesting.
How did that come about?
That came about through a fellow I mentioned earlier called Ian, the booker. He had connections to all the entertainment scene in Toronto. Film, television, whatnot. He heard from someone that they were going to do this sketch and they needed some music. He had a brother who had a musician’s union card. His brother’s band couldn’t do it so he borrowed his brother’s union card and took us in the studio because they wanted an authentic punk rock sound. Then we just kind of worked with the producer. He said ‘Just give me some three chord punk.’ So we set up and burned through a couple of different ideas and just found the groove for the track that they used and recorded it.
They did the parody over top of that.
Yeah, I think Martin Short sang it and did it over the top. It was funny because when we used to live in Seattle I ran into Steve Turner from MUDHONEY and they did a cover of it on a compilation record.
Did he know that you wrote it?
Well he used to come into my brother’s record store in Seattle all the time. I worked there for a little while helping Pete out. That’s how it came up because Pete had a used copy of this compilation and I think it was off of the Nardwuar label out of Vancouver. I guess it was rare and hard to find and Steve noticed it on the wall and I didn’t even know that they did a cover of it and I said ‘We were the ones who wrote the music for that.’ He was an interesting guy. I don’t know if he was too impressed with some guy from the YOUNG LIONS.